The Bukayo Saka ‘stonewall’ penalty owns prompted the lengthiest description we have ever before inspected out, while Arsenal did not deserve a win anyway.
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For f***’s Saka
Arsenal followers moaning at the ref have to be moaning at Saka for not merely going spheric the keeper and also sweet them the leg. Embarrassing sport of infidelity.
Sam, Guernsey (THFC)
A really long description for a ‘stonewall’ penalty
Adversary followers, stand down – it’s a stonewall pen. You would most certainly perhaps have a point about Saka’s ***evidently*** (more on this after that) irregular activity via his right leg yet it’s moot established on that Neuer’s really own right leg attempts to win the ball, is far too sluggish-sliding and also faithfully misses the ball then catches Saka right on the shin. Owned Neuer basically been planted and also still – as a boatload of commentators stipulated in attempts to urge the public that Saka introduced the call and also is unconditionally incorrect once you watch the replay – then sure they could have owned a point.
In addition, the proposition that we can decide in which and also how the challenger’s leg(s) have to sliding established on what we assume once shadowing in the 3rd-user is sarcastic. Did Saka have to extend his leg out favor that? Not necessarily yet, and also this is secret, it trusts what he’s basically attempting to perform. And also that is the point – who f***ing realises? How a boatload of fantastic plays have been directed out totally since the player in inquiry did something that definitely no one was expectant them to perform at that moment?
If we’re utilising this reasoning – then Bergkamp’s touch for the Newcastle exhilaration provides definitely no f***ing sense… and also we currently comprehend this. That’s why it’s such a impressive exhilaration.
Owned this been the dynamic game once that took place, the keeper is likely closing him down as he provides that touch and also if he’d got a foot on him after that touch and also directed him down the really same humans terming this Saka tinker a non-pen would most certainly have stipulated “Faultlessly, Bergkamp ran into the keeper once the ball was going the unlike other way which is a tiny snippet obscure so definitely no pen, for me, Clive.” And also you would most certainly have really felt talked to for in rejecting (perhaps) the highest prospective ever before exhilaration we’ve inspected out since football was invented.
Off the top of my head, I can basically image a really reputable element why Saka’s leg relocated in such a panache. Assume about once you’re attempting to sliding over a brief anguish – perform you point of panorama it in a ordinary panache as if you’re merely tread in a right spiel up? Or perform you a little lift your leg at an angle to render sure you legible the anguish? Of course it’s the latter or else you confuse your foot sprinting into the hurdle you’re attempting to sliding over and also furnishing a fool of yourself.
Saka did specially that activity (btw, also if he knew it would most certainly assistance initiate call merely provides it a wizard tinker and also not banned at all) which is really talked to for established on how he owns to not merely note yet ***obviate*** what’s going on on the peddle in real time in front of him. If he presupposes Neuer is going down (which he didn’t, yet how is Saka supposed to comprehend in real time?) then foreseeing that and also attempting to lift his leg at such an angle to solicit over a level postured hurdle is, in reality, faithfully herbal.
This is all taking place on the peddle in real time and also we have definitely no proposition what Saka – or any kind of unlike other player in that situation – is believing. To claim “he didn’t have to sliding his leg favor that to solicit past Neuer” is travelling down a hyper-subjective rabbit crater and also, thus, is something that have to be expelled from the supposed process. Could he have tried trickier to continue to be up? Sure, in theory it’s easy for us to claim he could have. But that brings me to my 2nd point.
Let’s purchase in neutrality and also not subjectivity – Neuer’s right leg is recurrently closing down (this is in which VAR have to have come in and also inspected out this honesty – instead they’re vividly glancing at the really same point the ref is which faithfully destructions the point of VAR…) on the void he supposed the ball was attending be up till the point in which 1. he’s far too sluggish-sliding so missed out on it then 2. provides call via Saka’s shin. He is not still. He is still proactively affecting the tinker, attempting to perform something in a situation in which the keeper is habitually intended to win the ball without falling short (or else, it’s habitually been a pen) and also faithfully falls short to perform so while furnishing call via the challenger.
What a mammoth worth we’re furnishing to the keeper in this situation if we assume they are allowed to faithfully miss out on the ball and also render any kind of amount of call via an challenger merely since we took place to (intimately subjectively) deem stipulated challenger’s activity in some way “irregular”.
Stonewall pen unless you perform the most you can to urge yourself that Saka’s activity was ungrounded – the challenger have to habitually be established on leeway of activity in a situation in which the defender misses the ball – especially amass it was not a heavy touch and also he was vividly still in loved one orchestrate of the ball once the call took place. Neuer render consumptions nowhere direct it, is sending ever before more described to Saka the whole time and also catches him. In commandment to ponder that not a pen you in reality criterion to be glancing for a element to blame the challenger for something he is intimately talked to for in doing in real time and also that is specially what challenger followers are doing.
Btw – Arsenal did not deserve to win. Owned that penalty been established on and also racked up, the run out result would most certainly have been unlucky on Bayern. At the run out of the day, they played well sufficient and also we played poorly sufficient that a draw was doubtless the mart run out result. While Wrighty is incorrect (definitely no pun intended) about it not being a pen, he’s 100% straighten out that we criterion to perform more described in Munich. Enchanting chance we lose tinkering favor that away to Brighton at the weekend – permit alone versus European stalwarts (although owning an off year domestically) favor Bayern in the Winners League.
Truthfully, yet, we would most certainly have fetched definitely no credit history for delicately outdistancing a Bayern side that merely squandered to a advertised Bundesliga team. More described for us to perform it in Munich to shut everyone up. Has to be the testing way for us Gooners – or else a individual will most certainly habitually come up via some pardon to mitigate anything we perform.
MAW, LA Gooner (How we respond versus Suite will most certainly doubtless projection how we manage the rest of the run-in. Not frightened.)
But how did Arsenal tinker? Faultlessly…
What a sarcastic week for ManU, Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Real and also Bayern.
Snatch the lead, fall behind then re-materialized to win/draw.
I’m placing it all down to the Solar eclipse.
But via the eclipse currently come and also gone, hopefully we can panache at points in the legible light of day.
I am frustrated that Arsenal didn’t win after going in advance, as although Bayern are owning an off period, they are complete of user quality and also were habitually attending sliding up for UCL nights.
Slight sag in climax and also user oversights price Arsenal, yet they still came ago well to draw the game.
With definitely no Away Desires anymore, the 2nd leg still last bargains to be won by either team.
The assumption will most certainly be on Bayern to be more proactive in the rejoinder leg and also that could complemented Arsenal as Bayern were habitually most endangering last night on the counter, i suppose Arsenal to arrangement favor they did once more City. I assume this game is still really much 50/50.
Awfully much glancing onward to next week. Although we have to be focussed on Suite initially. Luckily they have a immense midweek game too.
Hats (Render utilise of well speedily Phil – we are all wanting a rapid recuperation)
…The Arsenal objectives racked up versus Bayern were course. Bayern were more reliant on Arsenal slides. Bazaar sufficient they capitalised on those slides. The point I’m furnishing is that Arsenal can compete at the next extent. Unsure what Raya was doing out there yet there was sufficient time and also void to legible the ball totally. We were coasting and also smelling blood at the time. A couple of mins after that destructive defensive occupational established us 2:1 down…so upseting!
I was attracted via how Arsenal retained tying away and also got their merely payoff at the run out. Breaking replacements by that Rip-off Arteta!
Breaking game of football and also really feel. Arsenal is alive once more.
Chris, Croydon
…Merely finished shadowing this and also here are the (knee shiver) verdicts:
* Arsenal could (have to) have both won and also squandered.
* Bayern are still a really fantastic side, could criterion pens next week…
* Arsenal occupational price last bargains to be greater, a boatload of the boys didn’t want to contest the low % rounds
* We really criterion a escaped ago, Kiwior at obligation for initially exhilaration and also Zinchenko not up to it, any kind of indicator of Hardwood?
* What was Arteta doing bringing on Partey, incorrect game incorrect time…
* We really criterion an (worn panache) stryker, oh for Wrighty, Smith, any kind of one who’ll seize a chance on a final ball
* The CL knock out video games have been fantastic, more favor 5 a side points
* Liverpool will most certainly be loving this, one more seated of 90mins inanity for both next week will most certainly complemented em
* It have to be a fantastic wake up telephone call for the team not to be complacent
* I’m still uncertain re Saliba and also Gabriel, I assume Rice provides them panache more described than they could be.
* I assume I’m mainly cheerful via this run out result
* Clog last bargains to be more described, they were fantastic yet via definitely no Bayern followers it was an edge to be exploited. Shadowing Liverpool v City at Anfield a couple of weeks ago you could not listen to an surge the location was so loud for the 2nd fifty percent, every house team last bargains that..
And also swipe a breath…next week will most certainly be fantastic…!
Liam (gooner)
Performs Haaland criterion De Bruyne?
Expire of initially fifty percent of Madrid v City and also I detect myself asking for about the 20th time this period…. Is Haaland basically not really fantastic without De Bruyne?
Haaland is a sentimental immense male CF who is the run out of the activity favor Van Nistelrooy made utilise of to be. Not much fantastic unless he owns treatment. He’s doubtless nowhere direct as fantastic as Aguero was. I’d go as far as to claim if De Bruyne isn’t tinkering then there’s definitely no point in Haaland tinkering either since he adds altogether nothing without treatment. He can’t also grasp up the ball and also Rudiger is observations furnishing him panache favor a league 2 player. Lug out City followers solicit as upset shadowing him as challenger followers?
If I could seize any kind of player from City at Liverpool it wouldn’t be Haaland, Foden is the last bargain solution or Rodri. Would most certainly anyone seize Haaland? Unsure they would most certainly. Arsenal perhaps since Odegaard accumulates a boatload of chances.
Lee
Yes please
At the start of the Winners League components in which the web video camera is panning across the players I would most certainly love it if one worsen man was altogether belting out the Winners League principle song favor it was the Nationwide Anthem.
All the pristine
Mannix (Boro Disciple)
Disown VVD alone
Unsure why VVD is recovering all the objection. Sure permit’s blame the one incessant who owns habitually been there while the proving actors keeps adjusting. Our protection isn’t as sturdy as Arsenal’s yet it took a slip and also a worldie for them to rating. Our protection can solicit by merely alright if the adversaries can merely finishing off their chances
Our record versus the immense 6 is destructive yet that is mainly down to our destructive coating as presented on Sunday. It’s well worth noting that we’re still extent on junctures via the team that leads that mini-category. Whatever we’re doing is still kneading.
That game equally introduced that it’s time for confuse. The young boys have done well yet we criterion the likes of Alisson, Konate, Trent and also Jota ago for the run-in.
Philip
In reality, obeying a legend can be alright
Can you quell via your “every singular last bargain from background signals versus adjusting a legend” rubbish please?
If any kind of supervisor in Liverpool background qualifies for legend prestige, it’s Bill Shankly, sweet Liverpool coupon to the top getaway and also then 3 leagues and also a UEFA mug in his fourteen-and also-a-fifty percent years. The prize list is a little less preposterous than Klopp, yet the remodeling in the bar’s prestige was better. Shankly’s scion, Bob Paisley, didn’t show up too adjudicated down by his legend-obeying prestige, spinning out 6 leagues and also 3 European Cups in his 7 years. Spearheading Liverpool doning its initially years as a bar of globally renown instead much qualifies him as a legend too.
Then Joe Fagan, his scion, equally seemed to perform ok regardless of the obeying-a-legend blight, sweet a treble in his initially period. After Fagan, Kenny Dalglish pegged his really own legend prestige, via 3 leagues to heed up. Of course both Fagan’s and also Dalglish’s spells as supervisor finished in tragedies far more hellish and also invaluable than anything that ever before happens in a football match, yet I assume none of us is spooky or silly sufficient to quality that to the footballing triumphes of their precursors.
After Dalglish the wheels did come off via the Souness fiasco, yet you can’t quality that to the obeying-the-legend blight, while disregarding the previous 3 exceptionally successful successions.
In your article in January, you retained in psyche the Benitez-Hodgson succession as an instance of the legend-obeying blight. If you assume Rafa Benitez was a Liverpool legend, you don’t comprehend Liverpool. Yes, he seemed favor a commendable male who observations got Liverpool as a bar, of course the 2005 Winners League win was one of the highest prospective one-off achievements in LFC background established on the context, and also of course he render consumptions a wizard role whenever he re-appears to Anfield.
But lugs out anyone truthfully assume he’ll be in the discussion via Shankly, Paisley, Klopp and also Dalglish for highest prospective ever before Liverpool supervisor a couple of years from currently? Even if, for the purpose of discussion, you perform embrace Rafa as impressive (he altogether wasn’t yet still), was it in reality obeying Rafa which wreaked Roy to fall short? Or was it the faithfully dysfunctional Hicks/Gillett operating structure he was kneading under? Or the reality that Roy’s lone immense bar supervising confuse was two years at Inter 13 years before he joined Liverpool? You have to be glancing really testing yes for indicias of the obeying-a-legend blight to detect it here.
Even via the two most remarked examples of the supposed blight – Fergie-Moyes and also Wenger-Emery – I don’t go to much indicias that it was obeying a legend instead than unlike other instances that wreaked the neoteric males’ dilemmas. The Joined team owned been in spurn for years. There would most certainly basically yes have been a sag-off in results in the years from 2013 whoever owned been in the supervisor’s seat.
Plus David Moyes was picked since he was the supervisor who most reminded Fergie of Fergie instead than since he was the pristine user for the occupational. A more remarkable supervisor could well have made out more described. It was since Fergie was a legend that he was allowed to render that solution, yet Klopp owns been really legible that he owns definitely no task in pick his scion, so that’s not pertinent here.
As for Wenger-Emery, Wenger was discharged for being, by the run out of his period, instead humbug at his occupational. Emery at initially equipped an innovation in kind, yet merely couldn’t preserve it. Certainly if it was the obeying-a-legend blight accumulating the predicament, he would most certainly have been overawed from day 1 yet then introduced to improve, instead than the unlike other way about?
The sag-off in Arsenal triumphes in between 2006 and also 2013 was much better than that which cooperated via Wenger’s parting and also that was within Wenger’s regime. Football nightclubs solicit more described or solicit worse all the time. Merely since it happens at the really same time as a readjust of supervisor doesn’t median it was wreaked by a readjust of supervisor.
Swiping all that into account, could I claim you rephrase via “some last chances from background claim adjusting a legend is perplexing, yet also those examples aren’t legible wound and also there are a boatload of examples of bossies obeying tales and also doing really well yes”?
Tom, LFC
The eight-year-worn keeps fantasizing…
I am 8 years worn, it’s May 1989 and also the immense match is on ITV. It’s obscure since it was a Friday and also I owned never ever before inspected out reside football on a Friday.
I am sat at house, kitted out in my impressive grey sweet away shirt ( assume apex John Barnes )
I really felt it was Liverpool’s title to lose. I was young yet I read teletext, I knew we merely owned to draw or win.
Then, Barnes in the niche, why not kick it out, you are my rescuer, yet you don’t. The rest affirms me anguish that lasts a life time.
We squandered. I yelped, and also swearing that I would most certainly loathe Arsenal forever. Rapid onward to the 90’s and also it was Joined and also Arsenal via a mixed offend, why habitually them ? Why did I really feel anguish in those video games?
2001- Arsenal are exiling us in the Fa Cup final, Henchoz blatantly hand rounds on the spiel up. Most certainly no red !
Henry can’t rating. Hypiaa annihilates it off the spiel up. It’s lone a matter of time. Ah. Damn – Freddie ratings. That’s that…. Edge. God misses, Owen !!
My teeth are chattering, my chutzpahs in my mouth. Certainly we can’t win this!
Paddy Berger long ball, seeking for relief, Owen. There’s Dixon. Bang, go to you speedily, Adam’s, oops. Too speedy, is this redemption ? Booooom. Win. I really feel on top of the planet. The 8 year worn yelping in pleasure….
I’m 43 currently. I cannot stand the proposition that Arsenal win anything. Ever before. It’s habitually been Arsenal. Anyone yet Arsenal. I won’t be alone.
Bayern and also Kane will most certainly win, it will most certainly assistance quell the ghosts of my 8 year worn , hollering as I slept.
City? F**k it. Win the league. If Liverpool don’t … please win. I have reaped the 33-42 year worn era once Arsenal were median. Obscure prize here and also then yet tiny bar.
Ade, Guildford
