Advising that Newcastle are the mistreated party in the Alexander Isak rendezvous possesses irritated quite the reaction. It seems there is plenty of blame to go around, but Liverpool dreamers genuinely feel aggrieved to be depicted as the villains.
We’ve collected together some of the plenty of solutions from the Mail box and towed upward some of the testaments from Below The Queue.
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Winty’s squandered the story
Wow. Merely wow. Sarah Winterburn there with one of the weirdest seizes on the whole Isak legend. I’ll attempt and address some of her determinants, but altogether the conversation is so round, it’s difficult to position a way in to it as it spins bulbous and bulbous.
1. ‘Currently you could argue that Alexander Isak is not ‘worth’ more than the £110m proposal offered by Liverpool but your perceives are extraneous unless you are either of the bars gawking to concur a number based on what he is worth to them – Uniquely. Unless you are LFC or NUFC masquerading as a footy author, after that your perceives are extraneous, yet listed below you are
2. We also altogether know that Liverpool are perfectly heedful that he will price more than £110m – Ok. So negotiate. That’s how this sh*t jobs.
3. It was altogether designed to unsettle Isak and administer the condition at Newcastle so excruciating to unanimously that they would conceivably accept £120m. – Awww nahhhh, not £120,000,000, the uncondensed mingebags!!!
4. those ‘guarantees’ merciless the square origin of f*** unanimously if they are not on document. – Funky. Wonderful way to retain a relationship.
5. ‘you can leave when you twinge to wherever you twinge for any kind of fee’. – Virtually zero one is aphorism that
6. unanimously it valuable was for both Liverpool and Isak to farce around within the legislation. – Which legislation? Certainly you can’t premeditate them to deportment gentlemanly as purportedly that techniques ‘the square origin of f*** unanimously’
7. Had Liverpool proposal £120m in July – when Newcastle Unified still possessed hope of amending Isak – What planet is this wherein LFC are accountable for NUFC’s recruitment?
Merely uncondensed quantity a incredibly peculiar snatch from a guy more that’s usually more level pioneered and pragmatic.
Matt. Liverpool.
Polymorphous opinion = anger tempt
Will conceivably Sarah currently revise the write-upward amending the pivot words Alexander Isak and Liverpool with Yoane Wissa and Brentford and share abomination with Newcastle and fear for Brentford?
Possibly not as there will not be as plenty of clicks and rising replies to it.
The real Andrew S (Hate that I and plenty of others will snatch the tempt and respond)
Isak worth more to Newcastle than Liverpool
Sarah Winterburn’s item on the culpability for the Isak transfer legend was intriguing, but missed out on the mark in two incredibly realistic ethos.
First, it supposes Newcastle were willing to sell Isak in July for £125m. At ideal this is a hunch, but more logically it’s a negative hunch. In July Newcastle vigorously proved a disinclination to sell, were gawking for the wrapping up of Ekitike to farce around along with Isak and purportedly denied an initial decision of £110m with such vehemence that Liverpool pondered better transactions ineffective. In enhancement, if Newcastle understandings dream to solve a substitute for Isak in yesteryear selling, there possesses been zero opportunity of any kind of decision so far this summer season. The evidence vigorously connotes that Winterburn’s hypothesis of a July decision is merely not honorable.
2nd, the write-upward renders the rational time that Newcastle are qualified to filter for a estimation that reflects Isak’s worth to Newcastle. Yet it overlooks Liverpool’s in covenant applicable to worth the player according to his worth to them. It would conceivably be unsurprising if Isak’s worth to Liverpool were a agglomeration less than his to Newcastle. F365 possesses repeatedly offered the time that Liverpool are already perfectly tailored up with adversaries and Isak is in plenty of senses a luxurious wrapping up. Just as, Liverpool possesses demonstrated superior ability to lug in players this summer season. This may merciless neither nightclub can concur on a price and zero decision seizes place, but to apportion blame to Liverpool for not providing Newcastle’s estimation is every piece as notorious as blaming Newcastle for not selling at a price that reinforces Liverpool.
R Verne, London
Agent of annoy
I read the F365 item qualified ‘Isak have to be rising at Liverpool not Newcastle‘
Yet it’s notorious. Neither Liverpool nor Newcastle are to blame listed below. The blame is squarely on Isak’s spokesperson.
Once he was bargaining his covenant with the barcodes his spokesperson have to have recommended on an real legal clause that enabled him to leave if X nightclub offered a proposal.
What kind of legal specialist seizes the word of a issuer that possesses altogether nothing to gain by storing their word and everything to lose?
I have a pal that jobs for mino raiolas agency and the first thing he said was “newbie camisole by isaks spokesperson, that ‘arrangement’ have to have been written down, notarised and filed. Never snatch a guy’s word on a legal matter”
Both Liverpool and Newcastle are attempting do what’s ideal for their bars and it’s the openings of isaks spokesperson to do what’s ideal for his consumer. He fallen short.
Lee
Sackable offences
I reckoned Ratt hit the nail on the head today. How can players miss out on mentoring sessions, arcades, blow their companies on insta or X, without any kind of results? Why implements Isak (not that he is the single instance you could tag, as a Spurs fan I perfectly bear in mind the Modric legend) receive away scot complimentary with going versus the employment covenant he signed with Newcastle? I hunch they can’t sack him since of the dollar required – any kind of opposite other trade he’d be terminated- but there have to at the incredibly least be some financial results.
Pertains to
Sam.
Trent’s apples and Isak’s oranges
I bear in mind a time in the outer past when the Editor of these alright pages wrote an write-upward defining that (£100m+ loved player) TAA merely possessed to sprinted his covenant down and leave on a complimentary and ‘single a narrow-minded and viewpoint-dismissed minority will begrudge him that verdict.’
Not one word keyed in around the practices of Real Madrid in facilitating this system and distressful the player over the training course of a pair of years. Behaviors which they have plenty of kind for.
Currently the incredibly same Editor is incandescent that Liverpool’s opening proposal was ‘single’ £110m to solve the agencies of a longed for player. Real Madrid, according to Sarah, would conceivably never have paid what TAA was worth so it’s perfectly ok for them to receive him for altogether nothing. Liverpool worth Isak at £110m (probably more but transactions are a thing) and available them the dollar and they’re pariahs.
Unsurprising to check out that the aphorism abomination is booked for.
James Outram
Isak and Ekitike quirks
Its been a long summer season of the Isak hulaballoo and there’s 2 points that stick out that I donned’t comprehend why they place’t been said more (although its quite you can probably envision they have and I missed out on it)
First of all, how was there zero reference of Isak desiring to relocation till toolbox possessed signed Gyokeres and Liverpool signed Ekitike. The single two bars that logically could have landed him this summer season and he waits till both those avenues are shut (-ish in liverpools flay) to toss his playthings out of the pram. Are we spearheaded to assume Liverpool would conceivably have landed Ekitike without imparting Isak’s spokesperson a telephone call first. As well as by unanimously accounts, perfectly Jamie Carragher, Liverpool termed Newcastle when they proposal for Ekitike to enquire around Isak. It unanimously merely seems stupid from every party required. The timing merely seems peculiar.
Secondly Gyokeres have to be contented with how the Isak condition. He went down the precise incredibly same avenue with Showing off that Isak is going. Brunt, insta messages, sick never farce around for the nightclub, breached guarantees and so on and so on and so on. Totally nothing possesses been said around Gyokeres. Individuality never termed into annoy and Isak is being befouled. Every rent a pundit on radio and television is having a pop. As well as sweet aul Viktor is strolling around with it unanimously neglected. The uncondensed claret on the pinnacle is Newcastle and their dreamers, that are near effigy levels of anger and disgruntled over Isak’s practices are drooling at pictured wrapping up Wissa that, checks notes….is behaving specifically designate Isak to receive his relocation to Newcastle.
I know Newcastle dreamers twinge to mimic Arsenals success, be watched as a pinnacle crew but didnt predict them tricky Arsenals single real success over yesteryear 5-6 years of repetitively winning the Premier Leagues most unpopular/ delusional dreamers.
Hammer McHammerface
Newcastle’s ego
Sarah W is usually a f365er that I have humongous time for — but on this flay I assume she’s having 2 +2 = everything the hell she wants to suited a reportage. Why on planet would conceivably Liverpool proposal the precise quantity a player is worth without stalemate? It’s a transaction, you overture thieved too lightly and end someplace in the center — as F365 time out, unanimously parties would conceivably have embraced around around 125m as a respectable price — but that would conceivably have been the final result of a couple of earlier and forths between the nightclub — as possesses been the flay for transmits (and practically every negotiation) since time immemorial. Purportedly Newcastle’s answer to the 110m decision was merely ‘zero’ — zero enclosure for negotiation, zero shake enclosure, altogether nothing. Liverpool have been down this highway in yesteryear (Virgil) and granted perfectly to leave one by one. What are they visualized to do — retain on bidding for a player the Owners have zero rate of inquisitiveness in selling? State owned bars donned’t care around capital – they care around online reputation: Newcastle genuinely feel deadened and harassed.
Dan, (currently south of france in a tropical storm) London
Vows, guarantees
So Newcastle destitution-stricken guarantees – what guarantees? Purportedly a new-fashioned covenant possesses been available to Isak, rendering him the bars ideal paid player and with a launch clause in 2026. So was the breached warranty a new-fashioned covenant? Zero, as every guy is legible that the breached warranty was that he be enabled to leave Newcastle this summer season.
So was Newcastle’s warranty to sell him breached? Liverpool have offered one proposal. One. This proposal came after Isak possessed said he ached to relocation away from the nightclub, fifty percent way with the summer season. Why didn’t he share at the end of the season he ached to leave? At the incredibly least after that the nightclub can sell with a longer time to replace him, he is the one that timed his hissy suited so that the nightclub possessed a agglomeration less time to replace him. I could also have some fear if a proposal was offered, denied, after that he obtained ticked off, but this isn’t how it occurred. He moaned, b*ggered off to Spain to miss out on the pre-season scenic tour, it was single after that that a proposal came in.
That proposal was not at the rendering inquiries price, which possesses been £150m since in yesteryear the season ended. The proposal recovered wasn’t chummy to that. So was the warranty offered to Isak that he could be sold for £110m? If you are placing out a testament to share ‘the truth’ lug out and do it, donned’t enact on some obscure, smoke bread guff around being backstabbed without defining how.
So if he wasn’t swore a new-fashioned covenant, if he wasn’t swore he would conceivably be sold for a agglomeration less than the rendering inquiries price which possesses been legible for a long time, what warranty is breached?
Isak retains doubling down expectant Newcastle to blink and do what? Miss out on the dollar which would conceivably go towards his substitute? He’s the one that possesses isolated himself from the crew. He didn’t have to do that. He could have lugged on designate a specialist paid to do a openings while talking to the nightclub, instead he’s found war with the entire organisation, when it is still not legible how they have altogether mistreated him. If he’d recovered to this time after plenty of estimates were denied nearer the rendering inquiries price, I could comprehend it. There’s been one proposal, single one, 3 weeks earlier, £40m off the rendering inquiries price. As well as I could comprehend a reaction if Liverpool possessed proposal more detailed to the price, £125-130m is a document fee and kits NUFC upward perfectly in the transfer industry either currently or in the future. That hasn’t occurred either.
As well as please donned’t any guy ‘but Wissa’ me. Zero-one supports his practices any kind of more than Isak’s and zero Newcastle fan I have heard/watched possesses come on listed below rendering assume Brentford have to merely sell him since its Newcastle rendering inquiries, we merely donned’t have the incredibly same sense of entitlement as Liverpool dreamers. Brentford are messing around with the price, Newcastle have at the incredibly least been regular. For what its worth IMO Newcastle have to have readjusted on from Wissa weeks earlier and been operating a unalike target, but zero-one can accuse NUFC’s recruitment crew of regular experience.
Apart from the relocation to Liverpool what possesses Isak obtained by unanimously this? His online reputation is in the commode, this will hang around his neck for life. The duress he will be under after unanimously this farce will be immense – it already would conceivably have been as a British document wrapping up, but having done unanimously this to receive the relocation he possesses to be stratospherically sweet for Liverpool. Gander at the pelters Gyokeres possesses confiscated after merely one arcade, and after that accession that by 100. So plenty of human beings will twinge to check out him fall short, not merely NUFC dreamers.
Pick most of the football heeding planet I merely twinge this to end currently. Its crazily riddling, petty and zero-one aesthetic glamors sweet. It will unanimously end at some point but I truthfully have zero tip how and that the victor will be.
James, Leeds
Honourable Liverpool
A neutral fan cooperating with Sarah’s write-upward would conceivably check out pollute cheaty Liverpool submitting a £110m proposal for nefarious determinants.
Sarah delightfully (check out the insinuation?) or forgetfully leaves out that applicable at the overture of the transfer window, in June, in yesteryear Isak tossed his playthings out of his pram, LFC call Newcastle to negotiate specification. There was industry talk that Liverpool were planned to participate in £120m + 10m have ons, which whilst lesser than Newcastle’s £150m punishing and large-handed quantity, may have been a rational deaden. That decision could have been offered in June.
Yet hunch what was Newcastle’s answer? Utter refusal to negotiate. Not for sale. Duration.
Offered that kind of stonewalling answer from Newcastle, what was Liverpool intended to do? How would conceivably one negotiate with a party that is not astounded in bargaining? We unanimously know how rendering inquiries rates job-related; lfc have sold Nunez and Diaz at rates lesser than their rendering inquiries rates, since LFC were planned to negotiate.
Sorry Winty, your hypothetical of £120m in July, permitting Newcastle to conserve face, would conceivably not have been you can probably envision at unanimously. Once Newcastle stonewalled and denied to heed permitting Isak to leave (which is what disallowing to negotiate techniques), Isak saw zero substitute or saw every avenue to down tools and go on blow.
LFC gave an avenue to Newcastle to conserve face, to negotiate a mart decision, way earlier in June. LFC have a background of rendering difficult but mart deals eg salah, Alexis, Mane. Even paying planet document amounts for VvD and Alisson. One thing it could and would conceivably not do, was to negotiate with Newcastle that denied to negotiate.
If the condition possesses pivoted altogether ugly currently, I (biased party, I know) donned’t check out how Liverpool can be faulted by tossing stealthy estimates when Newcastle denied to also negotiate, launch the whole sequence of husks of Isak going on blow.
I assume LFC have behaved honourably, and have been willing (enacted on their track document) to commission what they heed is industry price. None of their tapping upward, gaining gain serviceability of of media, prescribing player to sprinted down covenant (sign Real and Barca). In truth, not since LFC are goody two footwear, but if write-upward 17 were to be invoked upward, it would conceivably be imperative for LFC to show that it was not conspiring with the player.
If Sarah would conceivably designate to blame any guy, blame Newcastle for mismanagement, for pretending the Isak plight would conceivably go away for one more year by capsule upward their heads in the sand. LFC gave Newcastle a opportunity to rest a the table to negotiate early on in June; it’s Newcastle that denied their opportunity to conserve face and end this on a sweet tab. That cant be on LFC.
Gab YNWA
PS Commendable luck Newcastle; you’ve merely reinforced why pinnacle players wouldn’t twinge to join you in future. Fergie pretended bargaining with Daniel Levy was designate peeing blood. Isak probably will genuinely feel the incredibly same swiping on Newcastle management, and I’m sure he will enable his other pros know unanimously around it.
Liverpool’s long arcade
Sarah Winterburn is applicable that Alexander Isak have to be disgruntled with Liverpool, but he have to also be a piece disgruntled with Newcastle Unified.
On the opposite other hand, whoever manages transmits at Liverpool and punctures points to the media possesses taken care of to unsettle a guy they aggressively possessed minuscule intention of usually wrapping up. Isak is a incredibly incredibly realistic player at a nightclub that aren’t yet a linear rival, but that will attempt to consumption their seemingly inexhaustible case-adjacent wide range to compete routinely for a Victors League place and, you’d assume surely, the Premier League title also. The wound done to Newcastle’s preseason and the overture of the season so far aesthetic glamors smartly voluminous. Whoever was accountable for that at Liverpool’s end possesses, anonymously, played a blinder with that.
Ed Quoththeraven
Scouse maths
Liverpool available between 73.33% and 80% of what Newcastle are rendering inquiries for Isak (£110/120m v £150m)
Newcastle available 66.7% of what Brentford are rendering inquiries for Wissa (£40m v £60m)
Yet ‘Newcastle are on the applicable side of the conversation’ while Liverpool are ‘tinkering a pollute arcade’.
Peekay
Numbers arcade
I mostly only concur with Sarah’s item on the Isak transfer, in specification of the blame mostly lying with Liverpool and Alexander Isak, rather than with Newcastle Unified.
Merely ached to quibble with one sentence in capricious: “Had Liverpool proposal £120m in July – when Newcastle Unified still possessed hope of amending Isak – the two bars would conceivably probably have squared someplace at the £125m plus have-ons mark, which would conceivably be enough for Newcastle to case a British document fee and retain their dignity”.
That may be the flay, but Newcastle Unified’s answer to a 120m proposal in July may just as probably have been to package the approximate intended transfer fee also better. Why specifically would conceivably they wrap up for 125m in July? Sarah stipulates that this would conceivably be a British document fee, but based on my Wikipedia + Economic institution of England Climbing up price of remaining Calculator review, a proposal of 113m GBP would conceivably also have been a British document fee (goes beyond 106.8m afforded Enzo Fernandez). Newcastle – as is their applicable – are not placement the fee to be any kind of capricious rational quantity, they are placement the fee to be too high. The intention was to package the rendering inquiries price so high that zero one would conceivably overfill it; a a agglomeration less draconian model of the Neymar/Barcelona/PSG condition. The criteria to accept the proposal is not ‘British transfer document’, the criteria is ‘being able to enlighten Newcastle dreamers that the decision was also incredibly high to contempt’. Liverpool/FSG know what Newcastle twinge, but they donned’t know how specifically this translates into a capricious number. They donned’t twinge to commission [whatever] GBP if they could commission [whatever-minus-5m] GBP instead; that is not how heedful bars designate Liverpool operate.
It may frustrate and bore human beings but there is a justification why transactions (not merely transfer transactions) often tend to drag on till the final moment you can probably envision. It is around brinkmanship and persuasion and arcade theory.
Oliver (It may also end with zero Alexander Isak transfer usually surfacing, which would conceivably probably frustrate and bore Alexander Isak himself) Dziggel, Geneva Switzerland
Legend confiscating its toll
This Isak to Liverpool legend is mostly Inception. Every morning I wake upward believing it’s done, and after that boom one more layer of the transfer dream begins.
Layer 1: Liverpool are “astounded.”
Layer 2: Newcastle “donned’t twinge to sell.”
Layer 3: Klopp (sorry, The Artist Formerly Known as Klopp) run away, so that specifically is dreaming this?
Layer 4: Fabrizio Romano whispers, “Here we go… probably.”
By the time we’re 5 dreams down, Arne Slot is anatomy a crew around Isak, Wirtz is wandering around the park perplexed designate Cillian Murphy on a confidential jet, and Eddie Howe is clutching a PSR calculator designate Leonardo DiCaprio clutching that swivelling pinnacle.
As well as of training course, in the inmost, darkest dream layer, Isak ratings versus Liverpool next off Monday anyhow since some points are merely foregone.
So of training course, it’s Inception. Merely instead of dreams within dreams, it’s transfer rumours within transfer rumours, till the window closes and we unanimously wake upward sweaty, muttering “Was it unanimously real? Did Liverpool usually proposal £100m+, or did Fabrizio merely seedling the tip in our heads?”
Joys,
Gaptoothfreak, Individual. Utd., Lisbon (Currently gaining gain serviceability of of Aphex Twin to soundtrack my unanimously dreams)
📣 Below The Queue – a conglomeration of some of the 427 testaments submitted in answer to Winty’s opinion/lazy journalism/bias/anger baiting…
Keith Lowden – Zero one have to have any kind of fear for any guy required in transmits. Isak is handling it exponentially sure, disallowing to farce around and so on isn’t a sweet look. If the footwear was on the opposite other foot and Newcastle ached to sell him, plunked him in the books, didn’t enact on him a crew number, administer him subway on his own and so on to affect him out there wouldn’t be so a agglomeration abomination. It jobs both techniques in football.
Jamie Henderson – While the worth to Newcastle may be far better, the incredibly same is true of most staffs with a celebrity player much better than they could hope to replace him with. Need to Palace be arranging out for 100m for Eze? Perhaps Brentford have to enlighten Newcastle its 80m or altogether nothing for Wissa? Its daft. In unanimously this, we’ve squandered sight of the truth that 110m is humongous dollar. The most ever between two English sides. As a launch time. It’s being painted as but Liverpool available 25m and Stefan Bajcetic on loan. Newcastle were hawking Isak around to Chelsea for 70m 12 months earlier. One tasty season later on doesn’t package the launch price at 150m. Of training course Newcastle donned’t have to sell. As well as probably they won’t. Yet this is how they flourish and escape PSR. Invest prudently in 2-3 of the next off Isaks and go again. They’ve done it in yesteryear but this excavating in of their heels is discontenting them more than any guy enacted on Isak possesses offered it kindly legible he won’t awakening. This talk of reintegration and winning the confrontation v the Red Cartel and so on is merely miniscule time and crazily blinkered. Yet mart farce around to them.
Thom Clem – Every transfer initiates with the nightclub sounding out the player wearing spokespersons or middlemans. It would conceivably be insane to enter transactions with a nightclub, concur a fee and after that position out a player isn’t astounded (although that could explain Newcastle successes in the industry this summer season). You talk around Coutinho and Trent and fast memories. If its wrongful, why did altogether nothing adhere to in those dilemmas and why did the football planet enlighten Liverpool dreamers to suck it upward?
JimBo – The Isak price possesses always been legible at £150m since the incredibly end of the season, I donned’t endorse what Wissa is shouldering out but Brentford have merely readjusted the goalposts upward to £60m from £40m. Unless the warranty to Isak was that he could leave if any kind of proposal was offered tantamount to what Liverpool available at £110m zero warranty possesses been breached. The warranty in annoy is not around covenants, Isak wants to leave pure and humble. Yet unless Paul Mitchell or any guy else at NUFC oriented Isak you can leave if £110m is available NUFC place’t done anything notorious.
Dixon Pursuit – This whole write-upward have to merely case: “This is annoy a nightclub pounces when placing Eddie Howe and his loved ones in penalty of transmits”.
Jerry Myer – I assume Ms Winterbum is the one “thrusting out her base lip”. Liverpool offered an decision, denied. Taking into consideration that after that they have saved silent and gone around their serviceability incredibly responsibly. If Newcastle can’t snatch care of their crew sufficiently they have to look at themselves and not attempt to blame others…
Harry B – Zero one have to be retrieving harassed at unanimously, it takes place unanimously the time. It occurred when Unified were ordering Berbatov, it occurred with Ronaldo and Madrid, Suarez and Barcelona – it’s occurred for life, with practically every major transfer. The selling nightclub tries to package a too high price to plunked suitors off, ordering bars thieved too lightly bulbous and job-related upward to check out at what price they could receive the player they twinge. Meanwhile, the player rests it out, usually yawping around the whole thing. The price will at some point be a deaden between what the selling nightclub wants and the ordering nightclub is willing to commission. Merely the records administer it out to be a drama.
