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Did Liverpool comprehensive the licentious offer? Isak shows up like ‘tiny particle of a d***’
Cards on the table; like Flooring spanning, I’m a glass fifty percent-vacant kind when it comes to football, repeatedly pregnant the worst. This summertime has been one-of-a-kind, tracking Liverpool splash dollar like never before, after years of (vastly) standard investing. Provided, in standpoint it’s less insane than it appearances, imparted the loss of Trent and Diaz, the lingered of Robertson, the inevitable decrease of Salah, and the unfortunate death of Diogo.
However I can’t aid yet believe that we obtained the licentious send performed in the run out, with Guehi possibly far a substantial amount more critical than Isak. Konate hasn’t sharpened the means I’d hoped, despite his burly gifts, he hasn’t matured, earns far also being plentiful conspicuous fiascos, in capricious his propensity to grapple unnecessarily with players, rather than sticking approximately fixated on the sphere. Contain in his propensity to injury, and I interpret I’d feel far a substantial amount more comfortable with him as the 3rd CB, than one of our two starters.
My intestine sensation is that he’s not quite great sufficient for a bar that wants to win the CL, an injury to him would be negative news for our title confound, and an injury to VVD would be tragic and vacate us battling for optimal 4.
Last thoughts? I hope Wirtz wraps up, he brings out show up terribly light-weight, yet without the silky touch of a guy like David Silva. Isak shows up like a tiny particle of a d***, I hope he ratings being plentiful needs, after that I suppose I’ll have to forgive him.
Henry, LFC
Transfer history reproducing at Liverpool?
There was once a send dwelling window when Liverpool smashed their send record to indicator Newcastle’s celebrity demonstrator, while in addition obtaining a young onward from a Germanic staff for a non-irrelevant cost. The Newcastle demonstrator possessed reaped a pair of seasons scoring around a unbiased every other gallery (although prior to that, he possessed been far less valued), whereas the player from the Germanic league possessed, in the eyes of Premier League punters, never actually mirrored himself at a optimal bar in a optimal league.
Everyone believed the demonstrator from Newcastle would be a whining wins, while the one from the Germanic league was followed as a substantial amount more of a gamble.
What mainly took vicinity was that the Newcastle demonstrator turned out to be injury-unguarded, overvalued, and did not have the individuality crucial to thrive as a optimal demonstrator at one of the planet’s elite bars. He was eventually marketed at a substantial loss.
At the terribly same time, the player from the Germanic league went on to come to be one of the most uneventful and secure strikers the Premier League has ever followed. Liverpool later on marketed him for 3 times what they paid, and he went on to kind one of the opposite legendary collaborations in bar football history—pleasing league titles, the Champs League, and starring at Planet Cups.
For me, Isak has a substantial amount in unexceptional with Andy Carroll: injury-unguarded, overvalued loved one to his unbiased-to-gallery ratio across his career and at global level, with sticking approximately fears around his means of reviewing. Ekitike, at the terribly same time, appearances terribly talented and has the prospective to come to be a planet celebrity à la Suárez—possibly even a £200m+ player for Real Madrid or a similar bar.
Permit’s find how this pans out…
Paul K London
Widespread enterprises can now be resumed
I wrote in previously to claim how the Isak send can have been dealt with differently by all occasions and a much a substantial amount more pleasant case tinkered out. Newcastle let loose a testament that “they did not visualize the standards being satisfied”, it was eventually yet how earned facility did they actually try? They will have accredited that upwards of £110mil was inbound yet did their initiatives mirror this.
Bidding less than 50% of the ultimate cost for Wissa was a great example, they missed out on other “targets” so plainly were unwilling to fulfill standards set by the promotional bars or players. Players ALWAYS claim that “this was the bar for me” once accepted yet this can’t repeatedly be true, did Utd standpoint Gykores, even imparted the shitshow that they presently are they are still one of the greatest bars in the planet and arguably a “bigger draw” than Medley. “Repeatedly the bar for me” translates to “they’ve available me the most uneventful and secure offer and stipulation my rep can buy”. In Isak’s sheath there were zero other suitors and bar wants player, player is cheerful/wants to go have to have been solved asap.
Which brings me to Marc Guehi, he’s being praised for not acting like Isak and Wissa, yet possibly he have to have performed. Palace in addition possessed “standards”, how earned facility did they try? Climbing approximately on the last day of the dwelling window doesn’t show up to be “terribly earned facility”, I believe Liverpool asserted arrogantly in this sheath and believed that Palace were not assimilated around the standards, Guehi will be let down yet did he believe Palace were attempting earned facility, there was zero indications, possibly Palace have individually agreed to re-browse through this in January yet will arguably now have £10-15 mil less to uncover substitutes.
One thing seemingly neglected is the Newcastle devotees hypocrisy, I buy they wear’t pine to lose their player yet are cheerful to embrace Wissa’s similar position. Innumerable have asserted “yet he’s in the nucleus of a 6 year covenant, he have to honour that”, their bar after that strategies and referrals for a player who accepted a four year offer less than 2 months right into that covenant! Woltemade was 1 year right into a 4 year offer in addition, Ekitike accepted entirely for Frankfurt on 26/4/2024. Elanga 2 years right into 5 the checklist goes on.
I’m grateful it’s anywhere, happy with opposite, let down by others and can’t delay to find it frying pan out. we can now in addition resume frequent enterprises and fill the mail box and solutions vicinity with “Florian Worst, Yoane Missa, Jokeres and Mbumo” barbs depending on weekly results.
Howard (Salah was Medley’s most uneventful and secure player, kind on your own out Mo) Jones
Anything less than a Liverpool Treble a tragedy? Actually?
Already since we’ve invested substantial in this dwelling window the narrative is out everywhere that Liverpool have to win the treble or it’s a failed season. As if investing substantial strategies wins. If it did, mishmash would have won a substantial amount more than one fa cup.the fact is investing substantial doesnt merciless wins yet even if it did, Liverpool aren’t substantial spenders on the entirety.
In the last 19 send dwelling windows Liverpool have invested £0 four times. Unquestionably no other Premier League title chaser has performed that. We invested less than £30m four times.
So for fifty percent of the last 19 dwelling windows we’ve invested less than relegated groups.
Confiscating right into account dollar redeemed from sales Liverpool are mainly the 7th highest investing bar since 2016. Simply under the financial titans of…west pork. Provided that fsg usurped we’ve been a sell to buy bar. A bar sprinted within it’s strategies and singular investing what it elicited. As swiftly as Wenger did that mishmash subdued pleasing prizes, We’ve won two titles, a winners League, an fa cup and a league cup while remaining within our strategies.
In fact we won a title twice investing less than £15m. That’s less than leicester. So we are the singular title winners to win a title investing next to nothing, if we win this season after investing the opposite it earns tiny debate and it’s telling that it’s singular devotees of bars who wear’t win anything despite outspending Liverpool rather much annually who push this narrative we have to win.
I concur, and every Liverpool supporter agrees. We have to win, yet not because we invested the opposite, yet because it’s simply our assumptions. We’ve mirrored you wear’t have to invest to win, it brings out aid specifically yet mishmash and Chelsea are vivacious instances that you can still win nothing even while investing substantial annually.
Lee
Scouse maths for 2025
Wow what a dwelling window for Liverpool. Never followed anything like it. Pointing originally-recourse targets, saying we pine them, and receiving them in advance substantial players requiring Metropolis. It was singular last year that we couldn’t indicator Caicedo or Lavia despite bidding Chelsea dollar. Not receiving Guehi is poor yet if he is lined up to readjust Konate when he Bosmans to Real Madrid at the run out of the season after that that still shows up optimistic.
This is the first season in the Premier League age that Liverpool have been able to invest the dollar to add to the staff without having to sell Coutinho first. Goes to portrays what a new fifty percent a arena with gorgeous hospitality plays sully, a sturdy promotional division and tournament payoff dollar can do. The internet invest/having to do a substantial amount more with less conversation actually is out of the dwelling window. Bolstering to be translucent of injuries to Gravenberch and/or VVD and we have to be expected to do terribly nicely this year.
The one chunk of the internet invest dilemma that isn’t being thieved account of is the loss of Jota. Demonstrators this season are seating you back £70m for a great fifty percent a season in a foreign league and £125m for a mirrored premier league demonstrator. So of training course we have sagged £400m this dwelling window, yet a quarter of that is to readjust Jota. He could have been insured or there is some other PSR analysis, I wear’t interpret, and we’d all rather immortalize his exuberance rather than talk around the financial implications of his death so I am going to shield against there. With Isak accepted, from a footballing standpoint, we do not have to checklist him as a absent player although he will be missed.
If internet invest is scouse maths, is absent players Gooner maths? A pair of matters of absent players from Norbit Arteta apologist Gooners. With one voice with opposite matters plainly. One even counting tinkering their first recourse right earlier in their absent player matter! Rice has been guilty of it also.
It actually is up to Medley and Arteta if they are cheerful with their standpoint. Against their uncolored opponents for locations in the Premier League, they are negative, time-perishing, physical and purposefully reliant on Saka ceded corners. They are time perishing, almost cheaters who are warriors in a box till they turn right into randy salmon tossing themselves in the undercurrent and on the floor.
In some means, they possessed Kerkez on toast whilst not receiving past him once and inventing zero odds whilst he retained a unstained sheet. They purposefully mounted with the 7 players of protection and midfield whose project it was to buy the sphere and establish it earlier to the goalkeeper. That asserted it was Medley’s accountability to tinker rather football? Arsene Wenger did. For 20 years, whilst Chelsea, Unified and Liverpool won leagues and winners leagues, Arsene Wenger regreted physicality and unpretty football whilst polishing their fourth vicinity trophy.
And the Norbit Gooners lapped it even inventing their own football occasion cleared up by not needs, yet who performed the opposite passes. Now they are staff of cloggers and hoofers preying on set chunks. Instead of counting prizes, they matter absent players. Gooner maths.
Alex, South London
RIP to scouse internet invest accounting
Amassing £140m from Barcelona for Coutinho didn’t render Van Dijk, Alisson or Naby Keita any less pricey. Neither did it render Klopp any much more detailed or worse.
Now we’re at the “nicely, we’ve earned the dollar” stage, after a whopping two league titles in 30 years.
Can’t believe of an additional bar that presented its wins to advice player sends. Perfectly unheard of.
Anyhow, reap the shiny new playthings and prizes before Metropolis/Chelsea recognize how to brunt a billion next summertime*.
Simon MUFC
*£70m for Jackson… Thanks for that Bayern
Unquestionably no, Liverpool internet invest conversation still alive and nicely
Mystifying of devotees of other bars to lug up internet invest after a summertime dwelling window in which Liverpool’s internet invest was lesser than the bar mainly one vicinity under them in the league last season and lesser than Newcastle’s over the last 5 years despite chucking them £125m yesterday.
Micki (wear’t allow the truths buy in the means of a great narrative) Attridge
…Enchanting to find Chris, NUFC, confiscating time out of his day today to send his empathetic thoughts to Liverpool devotees as we are “Unquestionably no longer owners of the internet invest trophy”.
Of training course, I immediately come to be aware there is zero such trophy anyhow (I find the humour there) and he was simply being crazy. However after that I come to be aware – Chris is a humorous wizard. Slapstick letters can be a new style that he is terribly much at the forefront of.
Chris, of training course, recognizes full nicely that Liverpool have won being plentiful ideal prizes in current years ( 2 Premier Leagues, a Champs league, a Planet Nightclub Cup, a UEFA Super Cup and an FA Cup all in the last 6 years, for instance) so his jest actually was quite smart.
Chris recognizes how critical prizes are to bars as his staff freshly won their first trophy in 56 years (albeit a tiny one vastly disputed by uncommunicativeness groups and so on) with the League Cup (oops, simply come to be aware Liverpool have won 10 of them and two in the last 3 years alone!!) yet he plainly in addition appreciates great humour, thus his email today.
It did quick me to ponder updated “internet invest” digits, though, and I immediately attended the Transfermarkt database for their newest and updated digits. I was dumbfounded to find that despite promotional Isak right to Liverpool for £125m simply yesterday, NEWCASTLE STILL HAVE A HIGHER NET SPEND THAN LIVERPOOL OVER THE LAST 5 YEARS!!
Sorry around all the capital letters, yet this irony simply has to be the crowning splendor of Chris’ joke email. As such, I can not allow such smart humorous writing be squandered on anyone.
Envision writing in to fire jibes at serial winners Liverpool’s internet investing when your groups’ is even better and you squandered your spunk because you’ve simply won your first trophy in 56 years!!! And your most uneventful and secure player saw this also and went on brunt to vacate and join those serial winners!!! Unrelieved slapstick at its’ finest. To devise such hilarious yet seemingly unintelligent emails mainly takes a sharp humorous brain.
Anyhow, I have to shield against, this humorous writing is vivid. I have to snatch breath. Cheers, Chris NUFC, you actually performed opposite football devotees chuckle I reckon.
Vibrant.
Mark Ing, Redcar (still laughing)
Newcastle eventually send winners
It sure took some time yet, for all the hubbub, and for all the Swedish elephant in the vicinity, Newcastle have eventually possessed a great send dwelling window.
We finished last season with a vastly great first XI yet an aging wider staff, and in ultimata of a goalkeeper who can establish, a rapid young centre earlier, an upgrade at right wing, and feature deepness at central midfield and centre onward. That has, eventually, all been ceded. Provided that January 1st we’ve performed the observing readjusts in the first staff staff:
Dubravka -> Aaron Ramsdale. 9 years youthful, Ramsdale is much more detailed with the sphere at his feet, vastly a much more detailed recorded stopper, has every little thing from relegations to first recourse in the winners league for Medley. Establishing hodgepodge makes it viable for the staff to tinker out far much more detailed. Will distinctly likely snatch over as first recourse within a year, yet if he doesn’t it’s singular a £4m financing cost with recourse. Decreased slip, substantial upgrade. At 27 can still boost.
Lloyd Kelly -> Malick Thiaw. 3 years youthful, thiaw is sooner, a much more detailed defender and a much more detailed passer. As a long term substitute for Fabian Schar he has time to buy up to premier league rate, yet currently possessed 3 years in serie A and the winners league under his belt as nicely as German caps. At 24, can still boost.
Miguel Almiron -> Antony Elanga. 8 years youthful, sooner, a substantial amount more two footed, and truthfully with a much better ceiling. 17 unbiased participations in the league last year, 14 the year before. At 23 can still boost.
Sean Longstaff -> Jacob Ramsey. 3 years youthful. Has Longstaff’s endeavour with a better geeky ceiling, and winners league grip up against. Includes feature deepness. At 24 can still boost (witnessing a layout under?).
Callum Wilson -> Yoane Wissa and Alexander Isak -> Nick Woltemade. The elephant.
Isak is – plainly – a vivid demonstrator with great footwork, oozing, linkage up tinker and covering. He could nicely be the planet’s most uneventful and secure for much of his new covenant. He’s in addition – as Liverpool devotees could uncover – at risk to injury, and in some instances flagging by minute 60. Swivelling with Ekitike, that’s not likely to be also much of a top priority for Liverpool, yet without a match substitute Newcastle also in some instances possessed to thieve on him fading out of video games, or simply being inaccessible, when we were whining out for feature deepness. As Callum Wilson’s health and fitness and pace spurned in the last two years, as he ferried right into his mid 30s, there’s zero vacillation that price us. Two great strikers for NUFC over the years yet not a great pair for access and health and fitness, and Isak plainly zero longer great for the condiment vicinity.
At the terribly same time Wissa was the main male for Brentford – scoring a substantial amount more non-penalty-needs for them than almost anyone in the league. And Woltemade was sharpening swiftly at Stuttgart, breaching right into the first staff, pleasing the DFB Pokal, and optimal scoring at the U-21 Euros before now coming to be arguably Germany’s first recourse demonstrator.
Wissa is 4 years youthful than Wilson, Woltemade is 2 years youthful than Isak, and – of training course – the two new boys racked up a substantial amount more needs and possessed a substantial amount more helps last year. In all league and family members cup tournaments Isak possessed 32 unbiased participations – yet Wilson possessed 1 for a complete amount of 33. At the terribly same time Wissa possessed 24 (vastly in the PL), and Woltemade possessed 19, for a complete amount of 43. Assistance Isak, Woltemade even racked up a pivot unbiased in a pleasing family members cup last. Isak’s £130m cost almost specifically commissions for both.
What’s the takeaway? As swiftly as Isak earned a decision to brunt, Newcastle would repeatedly be weak originally recourse centre onward one means or the other. We dislike it yet we interpret it. He’s so great he’s irreplaceable in one guy… However his result in a entirety season requiring his injuries and off-days can be modified in the aggravation.
Newcastle have gone for that by signing one mirrored PL centre onward with similar result last year, and an additional still sharpening with devilish prospective (as nicely as being mainly devilish). That dropped runs away the centre onward division as a entirety at least comparably sturdy, depending of training course how Woltemade devises – his ceiling appearances terribly high yet his banned period as first recourse for Stuttgart and Germany earns it earned facility to interpret.
There has been a substantial amount – a substantial amount – of hubbub, claim and counterclaim, and 3 reputable capabilities outweighed by an phenomenal sulk. At the run out of it Newcastle have thieved a staff that came fifth and won a cup, and overhauled in being plentiful placements, thieved years off the staff merciless age, and arguably fine-tuned the on the entirety demonstrator division. We have a core XI of players in their mid and early 20s who can tinker together for 5 plus years. And we received the 3rd highest upfront send cost of all time for a guy who in some means came to dislike us, to likely snatch care of PSR restraints for the next 3 years.
Nicely performed Eddie.
Roger, (lug on Barcelona in a couple of weeks…), Newcastle in London
…I wrote in a couple of weeks earlier lamenting the claim of Newcastle’s backroom staff and how we’d come close to the summertime.
A couple of solutions mainly passed on the terribly same times I’d been supplying earlier to me as gotchas, which was spellbinding to reply to yet I believed I’d delay till the run out of the dwelling window. I still have the terribly same complaints around sponsorship, arena, CEO/DoF yet at least the CEO shows up like it’s receiving arranged swiftly which will send us in the right instruction.
It’s been earned facility. Going for targets we shouldn’t have gone for, not mainly going for targets yet being told we’d been spurned by them, operating with a patched together employment staff under the morbid cloud of the Isak case. However I’m ethically cheerful with the staff and the fact that Eddie will be coaching them. I actually like Ramsey, Thiaw gazed sharp against Liverpool, Elanga with Howe’s coaching will boost and we still have Murphy in uncommunicativeness. Botman is earlier match and we have 2 great strikers. We look nicely brandished to juggle the fixtures – sheath in point being Wolves adhered to by Barcelona adhered to by Bournemouth in the vicinity of a couple of days (though I dread Bournemouth a substantial amount more than Barca).
On Isak, you could believe I’m saying this now, yet he was wildly poor last season outdoor of his purple patch. He launched the season improperly, he finished it disgracefully, fifty percent-arsed and plainly at fifty percent pace. It’s entirely alright for us to believe he’s disgraced himself, his devotees and his boss, yet I actually vacillation he cares. He’s one of the most uneventful and secure players I’ve followed at Newcastle yet I hope his injury aggravations restate, he is qualified to it.
Liverpool devotees and connected voices in the media gaining in touch with us out on followed hypocrisy on Wissa is in addition massively overexerting. Execute we as devotees urge or manipulate who we pursue? We’ve possessed to pursue Wissa with couple of other selections, we’ve performed rational purchases for a player with 1 yr vacated (+1 possibly), and Brentford have possessed our trousers down in the run out. Unquestionably no Newcastle devotees were lauding his manner, we’re eventually cheerful we have a all set-performed demonstrator yet you’ll uncover zero supporter cheerful at how he dealt with it.
Newcastle devotees and geordies on the entirety (plus anyone from the North East) are a increasingly hostile, emotional humans who wear our heart on our sleeve. It’s been humbling to have our most uneventful and secure player thieved from us – yet it wouldn’t have been as negative possessed he performed himself with a tiny particle a substantial amount more dignity, eventually he’s a devilish b*ll run out.
So what now? Despite those terribly same voices who pretend to talk for us in the media telling us we’ve failed, I am avid for the future. One of the USP’s we have, that others wear’t have, is a boss and coaching staff who boost every player they have.
Notions were brandished in vicinity to shield against us, players are being boldy unsettled and thieved from us, plastic virgin twitter accounts look to belittle us, yet despite all that we will be wrapping up, outmatching and shaking up opposite of those groups again and again, and it’s singular receiving much more detailed. Isak and Wilson racked up 23 needs last season, we’ve now obtained two strikers, one of which racked up 19 and one of which with Eddie’s coaching can eventually ranking even a substantial amount more. If Isak hadn’t downed contraptions we’d be on a substantial amount more times, yet we’ll buy much more detailed, because Howe has mirrored now what he can do – he’s much more detailed than opposite of your employers, specifically imparted the predicaments.
I retain my terribly same technique as last time. Be loathed, siege means of reviewing, buy right into them (which Carragher thinks was a banner performed simply for them, an additional eye whine), every abode gallery and away run out will sell out, we’ll restate to build – simply thrash the earnings so we can retain designing.
Side tab: sifting at Bournemouth this season, that boss is headed for the terribly optimal, he’s bloody vivid. Grip earlier him away from Individual Utd.
Harry, York
Transfer costs are mainly outlawed
I possessed this believed this early morning. Stick with me because while anyone analysis the title (infering the eds wear’t readjust it) will believe I’m conversing nonsense by the run out I warranty you’ll concur.
After tracking isak vacancy from Newcastle to Liverpool after ‘downing contraptions’ a believed struck me. Why is this deliberated a negative thing? Tinkering football is a project right? And mainly every singular other project if you wanna readjust occupational there’s nothing anyone can do to shield against you. It’s mainly your legal civil liberties.
Envision for example if you kneaded at Asda, yet Tesco were supplying you a substantial amount more dollar. If Asda told you “yeah you can do occupational for Tesco yet singular if Tesco earn up us X amount first” you can and would wreckage Asda in a legal courtroom sheath for breaching you leeway to occupational in which you like. That would be deemed 100% outlawed in every singular project other than football.
Now you could claim that this is because footballers have a contact, that’s why costs exist to buy them out. Except it’s not is it, or else every send cost would simply be the sticking approximately merit of their covenant and isak (infering a salary of £125k per week) would mainly price around £19.5m since that would be his covenant merit. However that isn’t what it prices, instead it’s a random number tweezed uncolored out of the promotional bars butt which as far as I can tell is outlawed since the bar is saying the player will not be permitted to workout his free right to occupational in which he pleases UNLESS a guy includes the bar for 100x the merit of the covenant.
Provided that I was analytical I went sifting to find if any government of any participating suburban has ever performed a preeminence or law sparing football from occupational laws, and they sanctuary’t. For some determinant everyone welcomes that football bars repetitively respite the law and contravention players civil enfranchisements all the time.
Even something like a non complete crunch which would claim that a player couldn’t indicator for a uncolored opponent are rather unlikely in Europe and so strictly manipulated that they’re rarely ever presented and even a substantial amount more rarely ever enforced because its earned facility to win that sheath at a European courtroom.
Football sends and the process of restricting players carrying in which and when they pine are outlawed.
Lee
