Manchester United to drop Bruno Fernandes? Erik ten Hag has a 'very real, very expensive' problem
The Mailbox has nearly wrapped up a whole week of Medley discourse, so the emergence of a ‘awfully real, awfully pricey Bruno Fernandes wrangle’ is welcome.
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Midweek musings
– I’d never ever been able to quite expired upwards being aware why I loathe Oliver as a ref till Thursday early morning’s mailer, who is territory on: he resembles he abhors football. Defines so much around his pettiness and demeanor.
– Manchester United had a deterring tempt Europe and there are no mails around it. How far the mighty fall.
– On that, the bar have a awfully real, awfully pricey Bruno Fernandes wrangle. Due to his preposterous deficit of physicality, sacrifices have always had to be supplied to encouragement him in the XI for his imaginative imagination. As comfortably as that goes, as it has this period, you have a player who is the worst at inspirational, the worst at retaining possession, the worst at lugging the spheric and the slowest on the pitch. It’s a meaningful wrangle. Zirkzee and Hojland upwards front?
– One more nice email was from Lee: THANK YOU. For unanimously this dross around Municipal territory being ‘innocent till proven guilty’ and ‘intimately pardoned by CAS’ it’s commendable that someone actually knows what is occurring under. There are literal emails dictating the fraudulence. Municipal territory were entraped disloyalty. The only qualm currently is if their lawyers are so commendable that the courts can’t efficiently indict them for it. For me it’s like receiving entraped speeding, but then arguing in court enclosure that rate limitations are absurd, the web camerata supplied isn’t qualified and the court enclosure contraption is stacked versus you. All that can be true, but you were still over the boundary.
– Medley supporters: sooth down and reap it. You’re earlier boy. You were stuck in the Europa League for years and no one cared. World care currently. Congrats.
– But…can any individual define to me why the English PGMOL are unanimously for this ‘pick’ on the keeper program? You can’t on the whole perform that in football. A protector cannot merely interfere front of an adversary rendering a run, once the spheric is nowhere closest. But I’m thinking for drama spares, we’ve despondent caretakers are mart arcade on alcoves? Why? It’s fundamentally versus the concepts. Without set items, Medley don’t actually filter like much imo. Can Pulis-spheric win the league? And also if it did for Medley, what would definitely Arsene believe?
Ryan, Bermuda
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Conspiracy theory? Every subordinate has a grumble list like Medley’s
So merely to filter at on the emotional health of Medley supporters: their subordinate is unfairly victimised, but it’s in addition true (and they are slackened around) their subordinate are physically predacious and yes “will definitely nut you.” That refs placement them no top particular of the doubt, but they are entirely slackened that they are totally adopting gamesmanship, time spoilage, and yes ‘Mourinho Football’
Outward of the loved one relieve in which it is to locate judgments that have gone in palette’s favour, we ought to acknowledge that we unanimously, as supporters, don’t alert once we procure those calls. And also as a supporter of a ‘colossal’ bar, I’d in addition say that even if we perform, our super own headspace undermines them “as we’d have won anyhow”. As a Red, I was ruing (spiking!) on a pile more than a few things from the initially Merseyside derby last year (LFC won 2:0), only to locate once routing the accentuates that yep, Konate ought to have been sent out off. In the exact same means Saka dived last year versus Burnley. Undoubtedly no call at unanimously, penalty to Medley. You don’t bear in mind as you wrecked burnley and been worthy of to win.
But past effective memories, I in addition fundamentally dumbfound the thieve advantage of of “stats” for these discussions, as by palette’s super own enrollment, they aren’t repeatedly accrued. How is that the basis for justifiable debate? I sent out by mail in last period around the Brentford – Liverpool arcade; We had a mailboxer threat and attest that LFC were favourably faced as they out-fouled Brentford but received fewer cards. The elementary defense was that LFC thrown away two players to undependable obstacles that hadn’t even been presented as fouls, let alone appointments (or opinion for a red). Please inform me how any kind of form of debate based on card or foul numbers withstands the the majority of criterion of estimate.
But past that, I’d twin down and say I don’t even believe Refs ought to repeatedly hallow cards across a year. We wouldn’t prepare for educators in an inner metropolis repayment to satire the exact same means to those in an unanimously girls-unique establishment in hertfordshire. Why perform we ultimata refs to juggle Fulham v Ipswich in the exact same means as the awfully tetchy and warmed tryst of Medley v Municipal territory? Insaneness. LFC versus Bournemouth had a crazy studs into chest dumbfound on diaz after a 25 secs. Undoubtedly no LFC remonstration by means of the ref or inspirational for a red; Had the exact same thing showed up on 84 minutes by means of the score at 0:0 i doubt the exact same player and collection pressure would definitely have been used. Context matters.
Paul, Atlanta: yes, every subordinate applications the somber arts. Simon. It’s not gaslighting. Damola, it doesn’t ought to be researched as to why we would definitely like to check-up Municipal territory win a 5th title in a row. The juncture being hoisted is Medley supporters are bleating around their Corinthian exuberance being unfairly counterbalanced by different other crews disloyalty, once only in some instances will definitely you admit that your super own subordinate throws in crazy obstacles, dives, caboodles, blocks and timewastes also. Undoubtedly no-one would definitely object to palette supporters receiving disappointed by some uncommon calls. But an debate of conspiracy theory is fundamentally treacherous.
Inevitably, I feel Medley have not been commendable sufficient (yet; they can be this year). It is not going toe-to-toe by means of metropolis if they throw the last two arcades of the period, resting players for the treble, and still finishing 5 junctures in front of you. Last year was more outlined, but you’d slumped 20 junctures by January as Arteta entirely didn’t ‘Aquilani’ your striker bag by signing someone who’d only score one open dabble impulse, as you battle to placed the spheric in the net in plenty of arcades you entirely dominated. All this is not being “unblemished”. Your run-in showed nice solve, but if we are chatting calendar-year, can you placement a explanation of your calendar year 2023, since those 12 months show form that ought to not, and did not win anything.
The different other variable in which you aren’t commendable sufficient, is in playing the heel. Over the top claims 7 in 8 palette red cards are due to a derogatory process uplifting yellows. Not your subordinate being outright imbeciles? Trossard, already on a yellow, dedicated a pointlessly predacious dumbfound in the center of the park that can have been a reservation in it’s super own correct; plenty of explanation crews distrusted that was what it was for. You can loathe metropolis’s somber arts, but they are at least commendable at them. revolving the fouls. They’d never ever perform what declan did, which was placement away a awfully soft foul, adeptly obstruct the cost-free of price kick, but then in addition kick the spheric away, then complain around on the floor to procure the ref to send off the opposition. The run out upshot was the ref terming them both boneheads and reservation the pair of them; the the majority of returning verdict across every tier of football for the past 50 years.
TG, Medley. It conducts slightly wear away your debate that there’s a peculiarity society describing to guarantee Individual Municipal territory win the league (outdoor of their 115 charges), once Municipal territory supporters can quite readily placement you a list of bonkers judgments they themselves have received, not least in the arcade that has literally merely showed up. But past that, once in a rivalry by means of LFC, you’ll bear in mind the meme’s around Pep’s “two times!” dilemma among plenty of others. levenshulme blue can thieve a protocol away from his perverse audit emails to bargain a explanation, but chatting as an LFC supporter I can definitely believe of metropolis instances of their being presented quickly shrift. Every bar can list oppressions.
A last juncture, but can you in addition please share why + how the debate you are rendering (bribing showed up as comfortably as elsewhere, so you’ll ought to full the inaccessible and affirm the absence of a thing under so as to fulfill me) is different to the playbook supplied by Donald Trump to fundamentally respite and wear away every meaningful establishment? Or is your heinous rhetoric different since you widespread well? Merely inspecting, since attribution-derogatory tramp has been a pivot tenet of Over the top AFC and so wondering if it’s a basic palette supporter thing?
Graham Simmons comes across as an supporter for his bar and someone merely purification system for a relationship. The rest seriously come across as either rabidly unhinged or gullible in the drastic.
It’s not palette that is steaming our p*ss. It’s Medley supporters openly admitting the majority of this is Mourinho-esque. Nicely we’ve been down that roadway; Mourinho football, without exemption, run out outcomes in a negative siege way of thinking in which he incites the collection to straight unanimously discontentments at referees instead than at him, leading to the physical strike of refs, their receiving casualty perils, and on one gathering their family and little girls hiding tearful and unrelieved worry from a braying collection. Sweet thing to be broadly in favour of, that. Talk of conspiracy theory is Farage; It’s Trump; It’s merely treacherous, negative, and ought to be enumerated versus vociferously. And also it’s even a pile more deterring once this is being concurred by a side that has had a luminous 2024 but a shite 2023; Never ever have they concurred a in reality nice period. Please merely filter at yourselves initially before blaming the human being and trying to scorch our abode down.
Tom G
The lady doth outcry also much
Municipal territory supporter under. Preserved my powder dry this week as I instead presumed what the loudest noises would definitely be screaming. I’ll in addition preface this by proclaiming that my unblemished compeer, whom I’ve accredited for over 35 years is, and always has been, a rabid Gooner. Of course, earlier in the day, this entailed me ‘proving’ Medley at cup finals and so on whilst Municipal territory largely, stuck around sh*t. He, intuitively, reverted the favour whenever there was a Manchester derby or some such. You procure the image.
My clumsy juncture is, that whilst things have switched over vastly for both our bars over the last ten years or so, we’re still able to run-through our crews without the tribalistic bullsh*t that penetrates SM and specifically the kind of which we’ve been subjected to in the plenty of mail boxes this week.
We were texting during the arcade and once Trossard copped his red I enumerated, (and to mis-referral Reeves & Mortimer), “Ffs, some of your pile Merely Will Not Let This Go.” And also so, depressingly, it has validated.
Presently, if anyone estimate this desires to reach out and email F365, then that’s okay. After unanimously, it’s the MC who will definitely decide what avails published and what doesn’t. But I perform have to awe how much time the cherishes of Over the top AFC invested on researching the stats for his mail in Wednesday mid-day’s mailbox. Pretty unbelievable in its super own means, but I can‘t validates once estimate (or ploughing by means of) it, that it’s the football fanatic identical of “The lady doth outcry also much.”
Even more, and whilst I wouldn’t threat to speak on anyone else’s part, I’d like to thoughtful suggest (in this bathing) the cherishes of Over the top and Tom Leyton that I obtained your basic junctures the initially time around. I didn’t ultimata you to twin-down on them. Anew, it’s uncompanionable your correct to concoct in whenever you determination, and around every little thing you like. But I’m in addition obliged to inform you that whenever a ‘conspiracy theory’ is either pioneered to or enumerated outright, I’m resistant I merely button off without defer. Sorry individuals.
Anyway, to the arcade. I was seriously made speechless at how much needle it contained. Undoubtedly no doubt defrauded by the visible revere in between the supervisors. That enumerated, I instead reaped it. One of my favourite football ‘minutes’ was Keown v Van Nistelrooy so was quite slackened by means of the ‘way of thinking’ from Haaland and specifically his rift at Arteta. Disturbingly much much less astonished by means of his ‘pops’ at Gabriel Jesus mind.
Calafirori’s impulse but, magical. Merely dreamy. As was Arenal’s defence for a ludicrous quantity of time. But so also was Haalands and Municipal territory’s capacity to locate the equaliser at the run out, but scrabbled it was.
On the whole, it was a mart upshot.
Other than to the Medley mailer who concocted “We’re earlier boy!” I’m verry sorry but, till you’ve won something, you merely aren’t.
Mark (Haaland didn’t smash an axe in the earlier of his head, he jumped REPEAT jumped a spheric off it. And also it’s still amusing). MCFC.
He’s not the Messiah, he’s a awfully mischievous boy
If aspirations per arcade were the single responses of majesty, then Erling Haaland can expired upwards being hardest footballer of perpetuity on his existing trajectory. After unanimously, his stats say he’s rewriting the record reserves by means of each impulse. But under’s the thing—being a footballer isn’t merely around finishing. It doesn’t necessarily widespread Haaland is a “nice” footballer, or even a “commendable” one in the unanimously unanimously-natural sense. Ever before witnessed him in a rondo?
Let’s zoom in on one signaling stat: touches per arcade. Thanks to my qualified AI servant, I can readily comparison Haaland’s 2023/24 widespread of 21 touches per arcade to Lionel Messi at the exact same era. Messi, a shocking 80-90 touches per arcade. Yeah, that’s not even cozy.
So colossal individual, maybe pump the brakes on the GOAT layout arrogance and stay slight eh?
Kiarian
Found myself responding along as I read slight Harold’s mail around Haaland but it wasn’t till the run out that it actually clicked. Every little thing he enumerated is solution, Haaland will definitely rest snugly top of nearly every impulse racking upwards record once he’s done and his trophy matter will definitely dwarf plenty of real bars, but it’s merely not that electrifying to check-up.
Haaland, and before him Cristiano Ronaldo, are to me awfully parallel players. Seemingly there’s the electrifying level of talent that I can only dream of having, and it’s attached by means of athleticism and practicality and merely non-stop dumb impulse numbers, but it’s still routing a temporal individual. Without damaging to revive the uncool Messi/Ronaldo debate, I’d say it never ever was a debate. Messi did things I couldn’t interpret, things I can seldom glean started to wrap up my tiny brain around as the spheric stuck to his foot and he glided spheric the pitch, sitting human being course protectors down before racking upwards an additional crazy impulse. Haaland is colossal and he’s dynamic and he’s fast and his finishing is on an additional level, but I can render sense of everything he conducts. I can never ever expired upwards being aware Messi, I can only watch in awe, and that’s in which I believe the pivot discussion is.
I’m sure Individual Municipal territory supporters don’t care but and whichever Spanish titan he eventually runs out upwards at will definitely in addition arguably be okay by means of having the colossal impulse racking upwards bot instead of a tiny tiny wizard, but I expired upwards being aware what I’d instead pay to watch.
Manjo, LFC.
Amid the furore neighboring Haaland chucking the spheric at whoever the protector was (Gabriel’s?) head and calls for him to be granted, let’s bear in mind Saint Alan of Shearer sneakily receiving Roy Keane sent out off by implementing specifically the exact same thing. He threw the spheric at the earlier of Keane’s head decoding full well what responses he’d procure. Sure sufficient Keane revolutionized a roundhouse and obtained sent out off. Not even a yellow for Shearer.Such a failing he missed…!
James CAFC
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Some replies
Dear Editor
It is entirely easy to expired upwards being aware why any individual pertinent to Medley boils everyones p*ss so much, It is since Medley supporters, players and supervisor are unanimously the indisputable heavyweight champs of the human being at whinging and moaning. They merely contempt to hamper even once there is nothing to whinge around.
They merely whine as much as a lorry’s differential that has faultlessly run out of oil and it’s reached a phase in which it’s merely as depressing as hearing a bedbug whine in the center of the evening as you are trying to rest. I regards hope that this puts it into perspective.
Superb Observances
Nitin
Sanctimonious, self-righteous, thin-skinned and damaging credit for limited productivity. Keir Starmer and Medley are a match supplied in heaven.
Matthew
The Letter of the Law is an butt
Most ‘Letter of the Law’ rubbish being bandied around in the mailbox this week.
If there was merely a letter of the law to be abided by means of we wouldn’t ultimata courts to decide on sentencing. Merely feed the crime into a computer (a bookies supercomputer can perform the peculiarity – can also locate a convenient purpose for them), out pops the sentence, thieve him away. Job done and we can perform away by means of those dumb wigs (although a supercomputer by means of a wig on can placement the proceedings a tiny of gravitas).
Judges (and referees) ought to thieve advantage of subjective discretion. For instance Haaland throwing the spheric at Gabriel was amusing (and I’m an Medley supporter). By the letter of the law yeah, maybe a yellow card but that’d be dumb. ANybody who has played sport at any kind of level ought to intuitively expired upwards being aware that the widespread sense responses to that is to unofficially permit Gabriel one cost-free of price reducer in retribution the next off time he avails a chance.
Conor MAlone, Donegal.
Have the reffing chickens come residence to roost?
Via unanimously this yawping around the top particular of English referees I can’t validates but awe if it is Heavens’s and the supporters’ sense of guilt. We have had 30 years of referees’ trial by sluggish-mo and freeze structure. Ex-players, presenters, and correspondents unanimously making thieve advantage of of both of these tools to juncture out “visible” derogatory moves, which supplied us VAR and still no one concurs. Worse yet we have ex-spouse-pros, who I’m oriented I have to endure since they have played the arcade, repeatedly portraying they don’t expired upwards being aware the concepts of the arcade.
So you have upwards 30 years of this and you have to awe if unanimously this objection, attached by means of obstacles of grass hair follicle reffing, practices that only the fixated refs render it to the top. By fixated I don’t widespread talented merely those by means of the nerve to push by means of since they love the arcade or it is their only route to popularity.
If I am correct, and that is a colossal if, this can thieve a generation to placed correct. Instigating by means of presenters expertise their responsibility to the arcade, then unanimously footballers from Sunday leaguers to elite pros giving the ref is implementing the unblemished they can… then maybe someone by means of believe it is well worth initiative to research, encouragement suit, and job tricky to procure out of bed on a Sunday early morning in the hope they can reach the FA Cup last.
Paul (who’d be the ref in the center) Rhodes
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Hit the roadway, Jack
The IPhone is elder than Medley’s goalkeeper on Wednesday evening.
That’s ludicrous.
But thieve a bow Jack Porter.
Graham Simons, Gooner, Norf London
Drives me spheric in his JCT
Possessing witnessed the speculation this summertime season around Jean-Clair Todibo sliding to one of the European super bars (or Manchester United) for upwards of £40m, whilst in addition not having ever witnessed him dabble for Sweet, I was purification system forward to witnessing him playing.
Whoa, what an speaker this individual has. That has to one of the worst capabilities from an ‘elite’ centre fifty percent. Can’t pass, can’t tramp awfully well and the crowning splendor was the deflection for the 5th Liverpool impulse – not only revolving his earlier but in addition eating dirt down in bathing it hit him.
If he avails an additional arcade for WHU before he coatings his lorry loan and heads earlier to the French Riviera, they will definitely be in the majority of exasperate.
J Belfast
The wrangle by means of J-Lo
As I trailed the Hammers stumble from pointless incompetence to full self-destruction on Wednesday evening, the origin of our wrangle and the probable culmination dawned on me. Its pants.
J-Lo cherishes to sport a pair of blue pants on the touchline. This is not your widespread garments for football supervisor, it conducts me awfully outcast. Managers ought to unanimously suit into three unconventional genres: Match, Tracksuit, and Pep-enormity.
As I rested waiting for the unpreventable deluge of aspirations in the Hammers net, I contemplated different other jean-wearing supervisors.
Jesse Marsch at Leeds. That individual can rock a pair of tight pants like no one else.
Record: P37 W11 D5 L16
This doesn’t filter commendable.
Gareth Ainsworth at QPR. Pants were mandatory for his rock schtick
Record: P28 W5 D4 L19
God validates us.
Alvarez avails sent out off. Here we go.
I procure desperate to locate a effective jean-wearing supervisor. This research is corroborating tricky. I’m currently scraping the barrel of flair sites, which is at least corroborating more outlined than routing this shellacking. Pants, and specifically those of the blue level, are nearly non-existing among football supervisors. The only different other image I’ve recognized is a collection of Wenger in plenty of garments, by means of one of him in after that years wearing blue pants. I can only conclude this was well after the wheels fell at Medley.
We’re done. Either J-Lo buttons to a suit or tracksuit, or this runs out awfully disturbingly.
(BTW, The Liverpool love-in by Heavens’s explanation subordinate was entirely disgusting. Carragher on co-comms, Redknapp in the workshop. Even the only Hammers speaker was Nolan)
// Phil The Hammer, Norway
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